Three Alleged Anonymous Leaders Arrested in Spain

Discussion

• 

  Anonymous on June 10, 2011

  how amusing that "anonomous" is seen as having "leaders" how quaint and so 20th century.

  Anonomous is everyone, anyone, anywhere, anytime. It is a concept and a philosophy, an idea and a meme. It is as organised as a sand dune and as dynamic and every changing.

  Sure, if individuals are tracked down, they're individually liaible for their actions, but anyone foolish enough to think that simply because individuals decided to do something that they are "leaders" has completely misunderstood.. Anonomous are as likely to attack "their own" as to perform any organised act against a 3rd party. Their actions become almost a force of nature - you can as much say that a particular wave rules the sea as any individual rules Anonomous.

  The most an individual is is a participant.

• 

  Learn to spell on June 11, 2011

  How is it that a poster and misspell Anonymous multiple times as "anonomous" when it's right above his post ?

  How quaint that this careless poster thinks that leaders are a 20th century concept . It is , in fact , a characteristic of human society . Any organization is going to produce leaders since some will be smarter, more sociable and more aggressive than others in the organization . They'll see farther and direct the rest toward the common goals . This was true in the 20th century,  the 19 centuries before that and will continue to be true as long as humans roam in a post-apocalyptic landscape .

   

• 

  Anonymous on June 12, 2011

  yeah, that was silly of me not ensuring I'd spelt the key term correctly, thats what happens when you have dyslexia and write something on a mobile device with no spell check.

  You miss the point about leaders. Leader historically implies someone around whom an organisation forms. While that happens with anonYmous too, it is transitory and fluid in nature. the "leader" one day will be the target of an attack the next. There is no overall organisation, no structure or hierachical decision making. If an idea appeals to a significant number of people then a group might coaless out of the mess for a while, but its much more likely to fade and die than DO anything coordinated.

  Hence my analogy with waves in an ocean. Waves are generated by tides and winds and individual water molecules respond to the immediate forces arround it, but no individual molecule causes or "leads" a wave. In the same way, individuals who contibute to anonymous are responding to the tides and winds of global and local events - which includes some more charismatic individuals who are "leaders" of a sort, but no-one person has any authority of control beyond if their ideas and suggestions appeal to the morass of everyone.

  There is a lot in common with Al-quaida (which I've almost certainly spelt wrong too) in that it is a group of individuals who have coalessed around some common values and ideas. Bin Laden was in tune with those feelings, and looked to as inspiration, but he had very little control or direction of many of the acts which individual small groups have decided to action.

  This is a challenge facing our traditional forms of organisation and unless we recognise that it is different, we'll never tackle the problems arising from them.

  AnonYmous is not a terrorist organisation, its a meme that is constantly evolving as the individual whims of the millions around the world who relate to it to some degree wax and wane. There are very few who actively engage in illegal acts, but there are millions who might decide to if a particularly appealing idea is put forward. Those ideas could come from anyone involved in anyway and become the latest cause celeb, hence why thinking of these individuals as "leaders" is entirely missing the point.

  Remove individuals around whom some have organised and the meme will just reflow and reform. The targets and actions of anonYmous would be changed, but it wont be stopped by it.The underlying meme around which everyone relates have to do with fundamental human priciples of freedom, free speech, free will, fun, intelligence and sense of purpose/belonging. The particular issues are fluid - Scientology, wikileaks etc and will change with the winds, this is different to organisations of the past which tended to be around particular issues, and with particular individuals being seen as crystalising those issues.

  So, groups would organise around who they thought would be best to lead them, who they thought best understood their desires. In those old forms of organisation, if you cut of the head, the organisation falls as the reason to fight goes with it. THIS is fundamentally different with anonYmous, hence thinking of "leaders" needs to change.

• 

  Jaws1 on June 13, 2011

  Like any other insect, anonymous is nothing more than a group of bugs in need of extermination. As with all of these types of deviant personalities they are cowards, deserving nothing but contempt. You want to grt your ideas across, stand up and show your face to the world. The rest of the world has no time for your purient little games and will lose interest every time onwe of your childish games hurts them. Give up and go away, we have better things to do.

• 

  Anonymous on June 13, 2011

  Jaws1 is raging.

• 

  Anonymous on June 22, 2011

  As far as i can see it Anon isnt all bad. And Jaw1 is probly just raging bc of the PSN problem.  Yes it is a group of hackers but there not just hacking for fun or money.  Look into the subject before you freak out on a group of people.

• 

  Anonymous on June 22, 2011

  To Learntospell,  Just because most groups do have leaders doesnt mean that all need leaders.  Anon doesnt need a leader its an organized group of Individuals, all with there own mind not following someone elses whim.